"A matter that seems to be very clear in terms of the alternative view, is what do you expect to happen in Africa with regard to immune systems, where people are poor, subject to repeat infections and all of that. Surely you would expect their immune systems to collapse"
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Context matters because this line sits inside Mbeki's notorious flirtation with AIDS denialism at the height of South Africa's epidemic, when the stakes were measured in funerals and orphaned children. It echoes a long, ugly tradition of treating African suffering as background radiation: endemic, expected, almost ecological. The subtext is not just skepticism about scientific consensus; it's a bid to reclaim agency against a global narrative that can feel like moral indictment. If AIDS is primarily about poverty, then the solution is structural justice, not antiretroviral drugs imported from Western pharma.
But the cost of that reframing is enormous. It converts a specific, treatable pathology into a vague, fatalistic "Africa problem", and it gives policy-makers cover to delay action while sounding compassionate. The sentence performs empathy ("people are poor") while normalizing mass death as the reasonable forecast.
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Mbeki, Thabo. (n.d.). A matter that seems to be very clear in terms of the alternative view, is what do you expect to happen in Africa with regard to immune systems, where people are poor, subject to repeat infections and all of that. Surely you would expect their immune systems to collapse. FixQuotes. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/a-matter-that-seems-to-be-very-clear-in-terms-of-131073/
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Mbeki, Thabo. "A matter that seems to be very clear in terms of the alternative view, is what do you expect to happen in Africa with regard to immune systems, where people are poor, subject to repeat infections and all of that. Surely you would expect their immune systems to collapse." FixQuotes. Accessed February 2, 2026. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/a-matter-that-seems-to-be-very-clear-in-terms-of-131073/.
MLA Style (9th ed.)
"A matter that seems to be very clear in terms of the alternative view, is what do you expect to happen in Africa with regard to immune systems, where people are poor, subject to repeat infections and all of that. Surely you would expect their immune systems to collapse." FixQuotes, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/a-matter-that-seems-to-be-very-clear-in-terms-of-131073/. Accessed 2 Feb. 2026.





