"Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain"
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Schiller’s line lands like a curtain drop: even the gods, those convenient mascots of order and justice, can’t brute-force their way past human stupidity. It’s not a cute jab at ignorance; it’s a bleak diagnosis of how societies fail. In his dramatic universe, tragedy isn’t only born from villainy or bad luck but from the immovable object of sheer irrationality. Evil can be negotiated with, frightened off, even defeated. Stupidity just sits there, immune to evidence, irony, or consequence.
The intent is double-edged. On one hand, it’s a warning to the idealists of the Enlightenment that reason doesn’t automatically win. The 18th-century faith in progress assumes that if you educate people and show them the facts, they’ll align with the good. Schiller’s line spits on that optimism. On the other hand, it’s a defense of why noble projects collapse: not because the gods are absent, but because stupidity is a kind of anti-force, a refusal of sense-making.
The subtext is about limits: limits of rhetoric, of moral appeal, of art itself. Coming from a dramatist, it’s also a meta-commentary on audiences and publics. Drama thrives on recognition, on the spark of understanding between stage and spectator. Stupidity is what breaks that circuit, turning argument into noise. Invoking “the gods” elevates the claim to cosmic scale, then undercuts it with a punchline of despair: if divinity can’t fix this, your cleverness won’t either.
The intent is double-edged. On one hand, it’s a warning to the idealists of the Enlightenment that reason doesn’t automatically win. The 18th-century faith in progress assumes that if you educate people and show them the facts, they’ll align with the good. Schiller’s line spits on that optimism. On the other hand, it’s a defense of why noble projects collapse: not because the gods are absent, but because stupidity is a kind of anti-force, a refusal of sense-making.
The subtext is about limits: limits of rhetoric, of moral appeal, of art itself. Coming from a dramatist, it’s also a meta-commentary on audiences and publics. Drama thrives on recognition, on the spark of understanding between stage and spectator. Stupidity is what breaks that circuit, turning argument into noise. Invoking “the gods” elevates the claim to cosmic scale, then undercuts it with a punchline of despair: if divinity can’t fix this, your cleverness won’t either.
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| Topic | Witty One-Liners |
|---|---|
| Source | Unverified source: Die Jungfrau von Orleans (Friedrich Schiller, 1801)
Evidence: Act III, Scene 6 (Talbot: "Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens"). The English quote "Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain" is a translation (often credited to Anna Swanwick) of Schiller’s German line "Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens" spoken by t... Other candidates (2) Friedrich Schiller (Friedrich Schiller) compilation97.8% st yield against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain exalted reas The Works of Frederick Schiller: Don Carlos. Mary Stuart.... (Friedrich Schiller, 1872) compilation95.0% Friedrich Schiller. Here lies our General , wounded unto death . LIONEL . Now ... of destiny is come , Which will o'e... |
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