"All the nations they had to deal with, had the same fate"
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Sidney’s political world was one where “reason of state” routinely disguised violence as necessity. The subtext is that empires narrate their expansions as negotiations, alliances, protectorates, treaties. Sidney yanks the veil away: the vocabulary of dealing is a euphemism for coercion, and the uniformity of the “fate” implies a system, not a series of unfortunate misunderstandings. It’s also a warning aimed at domestic audiences. If foreign policy is conducted as an exercise in domination abroad, that logic doesn’t stay offshore; it returns home as a model for governing subjects rather than citizens.
Context matters because Sidney was executed for alleged treason and became a martyr to anti-absolutist politics. Seen through that lens, the line doubles as political prophecy: wherever unaccountable power goes, it produces predictable outcomes. Its force comes from the chill of inevitability, the way it turns “they” into an unnamed machine and “nations” into collateral, making moral outrage feel less like sentiment and more like diagnosis.
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"All the nations they had to deal with, had the same fate." FixQuotes, 18 Jan. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/all-the-nations-they-had-to-deal-with-had-the-15710/. Accessed 21 Feb. 2026.





