"And I think that what is of concern is that they seem to be bringing skills from the scientific world into the interrogation room in a way that begs a lot of questions about whether it's ethical"
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Mayer’s line lands like a polite sentence with a siren hidden inside it. The surface is careful - “I think,” “of concern,” “seem to be” - the verbal equivalents of gloves. But the restraint is the point: she’s describing something that, in a post-9/11 American context, tends to arrive wrapped in patriotic urgency and bureaucratic euphemism. Her caution reads less like uncertainty than a seasoned reporter’s way of pinning slippery institutions to the page without letting them wriggle free on technicalities.
The key move is the phrase “bringing skills from the scientific world into the interrogation room.” It’s an image of boundary-crossing that flips the usual cultural reverence for science. Science is supposed to be the clean room: peer review, consent, transparency, reproducibility. The interrogation room is the opposite: secrecy, coercion, asymmetric power. Put “skills” from one into the other and Mayer isn’t praising innovation; she’s hinting at a moral laundering operation, where the prestige of research disciplines is used to make coercion feel procedural, optimized, even humane.
“Begs a lot of questions” is doing heavy lifting. It signals a stack of ethical issues she doesn’t need to spell out for an informed audience: psychologists designing techniques, data-driven calibration of pain and fear, the conversion of human suffering into “method.” The subtext is institutional complicity - not rogue brutality, but professional expertise being drafted into state violence. Mayer’s intent is to make the listener hear the dissonance: when science enters interrogation, it doesn’t necessarily civilize it; it may just make it more efficient.
The key move is the phrase “bringing skills from the scientific world into the interrogation room.” It’s an image of boundary-crossing that flips the usual cultural reverence for science. Science is supposed to be the clean room: peer review, consent, transparency, reproducibility. The interrogation room is the opposite: secrecy, coercion, asymmetric power. Put “skills” from one into the other and Mayer isn’t praising innovation; she’s hinting at a moral laundering operation, where the prestige of research disciplines is used to make coercion feel procedural, optimized, even humane.
“Begs a lot of questions” is doing heavy lifting. It signals a stack of ethical issues she doesn’t need to spell out for an informed audience: psychologists designing techniques, data-driven calibration of pain and fear, the conversion of human suffering into “method.” The subtext is institutional complicity - not rogue brutality, but professional expertise being drafted into state violence. Mayer’s intent is to make the listener hear the dissonance: when science enters interrogation, it doesn’t necessarily civilize it; it may just make it more efficient.
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| Topic | Ethics & Morality |
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