"And if we are in this state, if we had an eternity of probation, what reason have we to suppose that we should profit by it - if we had ever so long a time to chose for ourselves, we should pursue our own will, to gratify our carnal I desires?"
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The intent is disciplinary, but not merely punitive. As a Quaker reformer associated with what became Hicksite Quakerism, Hicks stressed inward transformation over outward compliance. “Probation” here isn’t just a theological term; it’s a mirror held up to self-deception. The point isn’t that humans occasionally choose “carnal desires,” but that, left to “choose for ourselves,” we reliably enthrone the self. The subtext is anti-ego: autonomy without conversion simply produces a more efficient form of self-justification.
Notice the rhetorical trap in the conditional pile-up - “if… if… if…” - which imitates the rationalizations it dismantles. Each “if” is an imagined escape hatch (eternity, ever so long, more choice), and Hicks slams them one by one. That cadence makes the sentence feel like a tightening noose, not because he enjoys severity, but because he wants urgency: the work of turning inward can’t be postponed into a hypothetical future where we’re somehow better at wanting better.
Historically, this fits an early American religious culture negotiating free will, revivalism, and the limits of moral improvement. Hicks’ wager is that time doesn’t redeem desire; only a reformed desire redeems time.
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| Topic | Free Will & Fate |
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APA Style (7th ed.)
Hicks, Elias. (2026, February 18). And if we are in this state, if we had an eternity of probation, what reason have we to suppose that we should profit by it - if we had ever so long a time to chose for ourselves, we should pursue our own will, to gratify our carnal I desires? FixQuotes. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/and-if-we-are-in-this-state-if-we-had-an-eternity-82139/
Chicago Style
Hicks, Elias. "And if we are in this state, if we had an eternity of probation, what reason have we to suppose that we should profit by it - if we had ever so long a time to chose for ourselves, we should pursue our own will, to gratify our carnal I desires?" FixQuotes. February 18, 2026. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/and-if-we-are-in-this-state-if-we-had-an-eternity-82139/.
MLA Style (9th ed.)
"And if we are in this state, if we had an eternity of probation, what reason have we to suppose that we should profit by it - if we had ever so long a time to chose for ourselves, we should pursue our own will, to gratify our carnal I desires?" FixQuotes, 18 Feb. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/and-if-we-are-in-this-state-if-we-had-an-eternity-82139/. Accessed 7 Mar. 2026.











