"And, in fact, there is a connection, the people who designed this here program and who implement it are the same people who are overseeing and helping in the interrogations of detainees in places like Guantanamo"
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The phrasing "this here program" is telling. It’s a little colloquial, almost dismissive, as if the policy apparatus wants to present itself as technical, managerial, and clean. Mayer punctures that pretense by collapsing two worlds we’re trained to keep separate: domestic governance or institutional "programs" on one side, coercive state power on the other. The subtext is accountability: if the same hands build the system and oversee interrogation, then claims of ignorance, compartmentalization, or "a few bad apples" start to look like strategy, not accident.
Contextually, Guantanamo functions as more than a location; it’s a symbol of post-9/11 exceptionalism, where legal gray zones were treated as operational advantages. Mayer’s intent is to show that these choices weren’t peripheral. They were designed, staffed, and normalized by identifiable professionals inside the machinery of the state. That’s the chill: the scandal isn’t just what happened to detainees, but how routine the pipeline looks when you name who runs it.
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APA Style (7th ed.)
Mayer, Jane. (2026, January 17). And, in fact, there is a connection, the people who designed this here program and who implement it are the same people who are overseeing and helping in the interrogations of detainees in places like Guantanamo. FixQuotes. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/and-in-fact-there-is-a-connection-the-people-who-54955/
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Mayer, Jane. "And, in fact, there is a connection, the people who designed this here program and who implement it are the same people who are overseeing and helping in the interrogations of detainees in places like Guantanamo." FixQuotes. January 17, 2026. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/and-in-fact-there-is-a-connection-the-people-who-54955/.
MLA Style (9th ed.)
"And, in fact, there is a connection, the people who designed this here program and who implement it are the same people who are overseeing and helping in the interrogations of detainees in places like Guantanamo." FixQuotes, 17 Jan. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/and-in-fact-there-is-a-connection-the-people-who-54955/. Accessed 21 Feb. 2026.

