"As I say, there was this movement to try to bring philosophers and mathematicians together into an organization where they would talk to each other. An organization wasn't effective unless you had a journal. That's about all I know"
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Then comes the blunt institutional realism: “An organization wasn’t effective unless you had a journal.” That’s not bureaucracy for its own sake; it’s Kleene naming the power center. A journal is how a field decides what counts as legitimate work, who gets heard, what problems are worth solving. In that sense, “effective” means more than staying organized; it means controlling an attention economy before the term existed. If philosophers and mathematicians were going to share a project, they needed a shared publication pipeline, a place where hybrid work wouldn’t be treated as neither fish nor fowl.
The final deflation - “That’s about all I know” - doubles as social commentary. It suggests how major disciplinary shifts can be driven by mundane necessities while participants remember the lofty aim but not the committee meetings. Kleene lets the historical gears show: big ideas don’t just win arguments; they build institutions that keep arguing on their behalf.
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Kleene, Stephen Cole. (2026, January 16). As I say, there was this movement to try to bring philosophers and mathematicians together into an organization where they would talk to each other. An organization wasn't effective unless you had a journal. That's about all I know. FixQuotes. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/as-i-say-there-was-this-movement-to-try-to-bring-113206/
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Kleene, Stephen Cole. "As I say, there was this movement to try to bring philosophers and mathematicians together into an organization where they would talk to each other. An organization wasn't effective unless you had a journal. That's about all I know." FixQuotes. January 16, 2026. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/as-i-say-there-was-this-movement-to-try-to-bring-113206/.
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"As I say, there was this movement to try to bring philosophers and mathematicians together into an organization where they would talk to each other. An organization wasn't effective unless you had a journal. That's about all I know." FixQuotes, 16 Jan. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/as-i-say-there-was-this-movement-to-try-to-bring-113206/. Accessed 10 Feb. 2026.






