"By the way, the point between rationality and what we would call the irrational is a very difficult point to establish. There's no specific line, as you know"
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The intent is quietly destabilizing. He’s not arguing that anything goes, or that reason is irrelevant. He’s pointing out that what we badge as rational in art is often just what our training has already normalized. The “very difficult point to establish” is less an aesthetic puzzle than an exposure of authority: who gets to draw the line, and by what criteria? Harmony textbooks, concert halls, critics, and audiences are all implicated. The subtext is that “irrational” is frequently a synonym for “unassimilated.”
Context matters here because Ornstein later retreated from the spotlight, writing in relative isolation. That arc gives the remark an added edge: it’s a veteran’s observation from inside multiple regimes of taste. Modernism made yesterday’s madness into today’s technique; the scandal became a style. His sentence captures that historical churn: rationality in music isn’t a fixed property of sound, it’s a moving border that tracks power, habit, and time.
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"By the way, the point between rationality and what we would call the irrational is a very difficult point to establish. There's no specific line, as you know." FixQuotes, 17 Jan. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/by-the-way-the-point-between-rationality-and-what-62064/. Accessed 10 Feb. 2026.






