"Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends"
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The subtext is skeptical without being nihilistic. Cicero isn’t denying friendship; he’s warning that it can’t be measured the way wealth can, and that the desire to quantify it is itself suspicious. Friendship is revealed not by proximity but by cost: what someone will forgo, what danger they’ll share, what truth they’ll tell you when it’s inconvenient. That’s why the goats and sheep matter. They’re a comic stand-in for the kind of certainty elites prefer: countable, tradable, legally secured.
The context sharpens the cynicism. Cicero lived through the Republic’s collapse, when alliances were fluid and “amicitia” could mean genuine affection or a political contract. Exile, civil war, proscriptions: these were stress tests that exposed how thin many friendships were. The quip reads like a survival note from a man who watched relationships turn transactional under pressure, and who still wanted to believe that the real thing exists precisely because it resists the ledger.
Quote Details
| Topic | Friendship |
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| Source | Verified source: Laelius de Amicitia (On Friendship) (Cicero, 44)
Evidence: Scipio used to complain that men were more painstaking in all other things than in friendship; that everybody could tell how many goats and sheep he had, but was unable to tell the number of his friends; and that men took pains in getting the former, but were careless in choosing the latter, and had no certain signs, or marks, so to speak, by which to determine their fitness for friendship. (Section 62 (often printed as §62; e.g., Loeb Classical Library edition shows it on p. 173)). The modern English quote you gave (“Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends”) is a shortened paraphrase/condensation of Cicero, Laelius de Amicitia §62. The underlying Latin in §62 is: “capras et oves quot quisque haberet, dicere posse, amicos quot haberet, non posse dicere …”. Cicero composed Laelius de Amicitia in 44 BC. A commonly cited print reference is the Loeb Classical Library (Cicero: De Senectute, De Amicitia, De Divinatione), trans. W. A. Falconer (1923), where §62 appears (with the above wording) and is marked around p. 173 in the online reprint of that edition. Other candidates (1) The Sheep and The Goats, Second Book in the Berkeley Series (Rosy Cole, 2018) compilation95.0% ... The story of Mary Cole , 5th Countess of Berkeley Volume II 1799-1811 Every man can tell how many goats or sheep ... |
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