"Finland had a civil war less than 100 years ago, just like in Ireland. If you look at the history of newly independent nations, civil war is almost every time present, even in the United States"
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Holkeri is doing something politicians do when they want to defuse panic without denying the pain: he normalizes catastrophe. By placing Finland’s 1918 civil war alongside Ireland’s revolutionary violence and then casually roping in the United States, he reframes civil conflict as a grim but familiar companion to state-building rather than a national aberration. The intent isn’t to excuse bloodshed; it’s to puncture the myth that “successful” countries are born clean.
The line works because it quietly shifts the moral geography. Civil war stops being a uniquely Finnish failure or an Irish tragedy and becomes almost a structural feature of “newly independent nations” - a phrase that sounds clinical, even inevitable. That little “almost every time present” is a rhetorical softener: not a deterministic law of history, but close enough to argue that shame and surprise are misplaced.
Subtext: independence doesn’t just produce flags and parliaments; it produces a fight over who counts as “the people,” who owns institutions, land, language, and legitimacy. Holkeri’s comparison also implies a warning. If civil war is common at the founding, then the real achievement is not purity but stabilization: building procedures that make conflict routinized (elections, courts, coalition politics) instead of lethal.
Context matters. Holkeri came from a Finland that had turned a brutally divided society into a high-trust welfare state, and he later operated in international diplomacy. The quote reads like a bridge-builder’s argument: history is messy, so stop treating political fracture as proof that a nation cannot cohere.
The line works because it quietly shifts the moral geography. Civil war stops being a uniquely Finnish failure or an Irish tragedy and becomes almost a structural feature of “newly independent nations” - a phrase that sounds clinical, even inevitable. That little “almost every time present” is a rhetorical softener: not a deterministic law of history, but close enough to argue that shame and surprise are misplaced.
Subtext: independence doesn’t just produce flags and parliaments; it produces a fight over who counts as “the people,” who owns institutions, land, language, and legitimacy. Holkeri’s comparison also implies a warning. If civil war is common at the founding, then the real achievement is not purity but stabilization: building procedures that make conflict routinized (elections, courts, coalition politics) instead of lethal.
Context matters. Holkeri came from a Finland that had turned a brutally divided society into a high-trust welfare state, and he later operated in international diplomacy. The quote reads like a bridge-builder’s argument: history is messy, so stop treating political fracture as proof that a nation cannot cohere.
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| Topic | War |
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