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"Goth culture, as mired in the past as it is, even it goes through changes, so Goth when I was growing up is not what it is now. When I think of Goth culture as it is at the moment I think of mall culture"

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Goth has always sold itself as an escape hatch from the mainstream; Vasquez twists the knife by pointing out how easily that escape hatch becomes another entrance to the food court. The line’s power is in its resigned contradiction: goth is “mired in the past,” yet it still “goes through changes.” That’s not a celebration of evolution; it’s a warning that even subcultures built on nostalgia and refusal can’t outrun time, trends, or capitalism. The dig at “mall culture” lands because it names a specific kind of flattening: aesthetic identity turned into retail category, rebellion reduced to a purchasable silhouette.

Coming from Vasquez, best known for the caustic, hyper-stylized world of Invader Zim and his broader fascination with alienation-as-comedy, the comment reads like a creator watching his own audience grow up inside a consumer machine. Goth, once coded as outsider knowledge (music scenes, zines, local clubs, DIY style), becomes something you can acquire via rack displays and algorithms: pre-distressed darkness, pre-approved weirdness. “Mall culture” isn’t just a location; it’s a metaphor for mass distribution, for identity as an off-the-shelf bundle.

The subtext is generational and a little defensive: not “kids these days,” exactly, but “the system metabolizes everything.” Vasquez isn’t arguing that new goth is fake so much as he’s diagnosing how subculture survives by becoming legible, and how that legibility can feel like betrayal to anyone who needed it to stay secret.

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Vasquez, Jhonen. (2026, January 14). Goth culture, as mired in the past as it is, even it goes through changes, so Goth when I was growing up is not what it is now. When I think of Goth culture as it is at the moment I think of mall culture. FixQuotes. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/goth-culture-as-mired-in-the-past-as-it-is-even-154666/

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Vasquez, Jhonen. "Goth culture, as mired in the past as it is, even it goes through changes, so Goth when I was growing up is not what it is now. When I think of Goth culture as it is at the moment I think of mall culture." FixQuotes. January 14, 2026. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/goth-culture-as-mired-in-the-past-as-it-is-even-154666/.

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"Goth culture, as mired in the past as it is, even it goes through changes, so Goth when I was growing up is not what it is now. When I think of Goth culture as it is at the moment I think of mall culture." FixQuotes, 14 Jan. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/goth-culture-as-mired-in-the-past-as-it-is-even-154666/. Accessed 12 Feb. 2026.

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Jhonen Vasquez (born September 1, 1974) is a Cartoonist from USA.

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