"I cut myself off from the mainstream of jazz. It stood me in good stead later on, as a musician"
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There’s a sly pride in Van Ronk’s confession: he didn’t just drift away from jazz’s “mainstream,” he cut himself off, like someone choosing exile over assimilation. Coming from a musician who moved through the folk revival, blues, and the long shadow of bebop, the line reads less like anti-jazz posturing than a survival tactic. The “mainstream” isn’t merely a genre category; it’s an economy of taste, a set of expectations about chops, repertoire, and who gets to belong. Stepping outside it is a way to dodge the careerist treadmill and the social scripts that come with it.
The subtext is practical and a little combative: I refused the approved route, and that refusal made me better. Van Ronk’s “good stead” is tellingly unglamorous phrasing, almost workmanlike. He’s not claiming purity or genius. He’s claiming usefulness. By breaking from the reigning orthodoxy, he could poach what he needed - rhythmic language, harmonic ideas, phrasing - without being policed by jazz’s internal gatekeepers or its hierarchies of virtuosity.
Context matters: mid-century American music was a battlefield of scenes and status. Jazz carried cultural prestige but also rigid notions of legitimacy; folk and blues offered different kinds of authenticity, community, and directness. Van Ronk frames his detour as education-by-avoidance: sometimes the quickest way to become yourself is to stop auditioning for someone else’s definition of “serious” music.
The subtext is practical and a little combative: I refused the approved route, and that refusal made me better. Van Ronk’s “good stead” is tellingly unglamorous phrasing, almost workmanlike. He’s not claiming purity or genius. He’s claiming usefulness. By breaking from the reigning orthodoxy, he could poach what he needed - rhythmic language, harmonic ideas, phrasing - without being policed by jazz’s internal gatekeepers or its hierarchies of virtuosity.
Context matters: mid-century American music was a battlefield of scenes and status. Jazz carried cultural prestige but also rigid notions of legitimacy; folk and blues offered different kinds of authenticity, community, and directness. Van Ronk frames his detour as education-by-avoidance: sometimes the quickest way to become yourself is to stop auditioning for someone else’s definition of “serious” music.
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