"So Chuck and I looked at that and we hacked on 'em for a while, and eventually we ripped the stuff out of 'em and put some of it into what was then called en, which was really ed with some 'em features"
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The real punchline is the genealogy he sketches almost accidentally. “Ripped the stuff out of em” is the understated violence of good engineering: when a tool’s design is wrong for the environment, you don’t negotiate with it, you excise it. Then comes the quiet origin myth: what “was then called en” becomes “really ed with some em features.” In a few muddy clauses, Joy describes how software evolves through borrowing and mutation rather than clean-room invention. Innovation here isn’t a lightning bolt; it’s selective theft with taste.
Context matters: Joy is talking from the era when core tools (editors, shells, utilities) were being forged inside Bell Labs and university systems, before “user experience” became a department. The subtext is a kind of anti-romance. Credit is distributed, names are temporary, and the point isn’t narrative coherence - it’s that the system works tomorrow. That shrugging tone is itself a flex: the future got built by people too busy to sound like they were building the future.
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Joy, Bill. (2026, February 18). So Chuck and I looked at that and we hacked on 'em for a while, and eventually we ripped the stuff out of 'em and put some of it into what was then called en, which was really ed with some 'em features. FixQuotes. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/so-chuck-and-i-looked-at-that-and-we-hacked-on-em-74871/
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Joy, Bill. "So Chuck and I looked at that and we hacked on 'em for a while, and eventually we ripped the stuff out of 'em and put some of it into what was then called en, which was really ed with some 'em features." FixQuotes. February 18, 2026. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/so-chuck-and-i-looked-at-that-and-we-hacked-on-em-74871/.
MLA Style (9th ed.)
"So Chuck and I looked at that and we hacked on 'em for a while, and eventually we ripped the stuff out of 'em and put some of it into what was then called en, which was really ed with some 'em features." FixQuotes, 18 Feb. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/so-chuck-and-i-looked-at-that-and-we-hacked-on-em-74871/. Accessed 19 Feb. 2026.



