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Success Quote by Joseph Joubert

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress"

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Joubert slips a moral knife into the ribs of debate culture: if your goal is to win, you will inevitably choose tactics that make everyone dumber. “Victory” isn’t just a bad outcome here; it’s a corrupting incentive. It turns conversation into sport, where points matter more than truth, and where the quickest route to dominance is often simplification, misreading, or humiliation. “Progress,” by contrast, is deliberately non-triumphal. It implies movement rather than conquest: a shared, incremental approach toward clarity, better questions, and workable understanding.

The phrasing is deceptively calm, almost clerical, but the subtext is confrontational. Joubert is indicting ego as the hidden engine of argument. If discussion is structured as a contest, the participants will perform certainty, defend identity, and treat concessions as losses. If discussion is structured as inquiry, concessions become evidence of strength: the capacity to update. That pivot rewires the social meaning of being wrong.

Context matters. Joubert wrote in post-Enlightenment France, in the long shadow of revolution, when rhetoric had proved it could do more than persuade; it could mobilize, polarize, and justify violence. In that world, “victory” in argument isn’t metaphorical. It has consequences. His line reads like a small-scale civic ethic: keep the temperature low, keep the aim high.

It also anticipates a modern problem: debates designed for audiences, not outcomes. Progress is quieter than a win. Joubert is betting that civilization depends on preferring the quiet thing anyway.

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TopicReason & Logic
SourceAphorism commonly attributed to Joseph Joubert; widely cited in secondary sources but original book/page often not given. See Joseph Joubert — Wikiquote.
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Joubert, Joseph. (2026, January 15). The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. FixQuotes. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/the-aim-of-argument-or-of-discussion-should-not-13161/

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Joubert, Joseph. "The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." FixQuotes. January 15, 2026. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/the-aim-of-argument-or-of-discussion-should-not-13161/.

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"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." FixQuotes, 15 Jan. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/the-aim-of-argument-or-of-discussion-should-not-13161/. Accessed 12 Feb. 2026.

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Joseph Joubert

Joseph Joubert (May 7, 1754 - May 4, 1824) was a Writer from France.

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