"The Macintosh having shipped, his next agenda was to turn the rest of Apple into the Mac group. He had perceived the rest of Apple wasn't as creative or motivated as the Mac team, and what you need to take over the company are managers, not innovators or technical people"
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The sharpest edge is the line about what you need to “take over the company”: managers. Hertzfeld isn’t praising bureaucracy so much as revealing a hard lesson of organizations: innovation can launch a product, but it rarely wins a coup. The subtext is that the Mac group’s self-image as the creative vanguard wasn’t enough. To dominate Apple, they needed the unglamorous machinery of control - reporting structures, budgets, headcount, incentives, hiring, and, crucially, narrative authority.
Context matters: early Apple was a federation of competing tribes, with the Apple II business printing money while the Mac team pursued a more aesthetic, idealistic vision of computing. After shipping, the existential question shifts from “Can we make it?” to “Who gets to decide what we make next?” Hertzfeld’s quote captures that pivot from invention to institution-building, and it hints at the tension that would haunt Apple for decades: when managers are required to consolidate power, they can also sand down the very weirdness that made the breakthrough possible.
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| Topic | Management |
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APA Style (7th ed.)
Hertzfeld, Andy. (2026, January 17). The Macintosh having shipped, his next agenda was to turn the rest of Apple into the Mac group. He had perceived the rest of Apple wasn't as creative or motivated as the Mac team, and what you need to take over the company are managers, not innovators or technical people. FixQuotes. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/the-macintosh-having-shipped-his-next-agenda-was-39620/
Chicago Style
Hertzfeld, Andy. "The Macintosh having shipped, his next agenda was to turn the rest of Apple into the Mac group. He had perceived the rest of Apple wasn't as creative or motivated as the Mac team, and what you need to take over the company are managers, not innovators or technical people." FixQuotes. January 17, 2026. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/the-macintosh-having-shipped-his-next-agenda-was-39620/.
MLA Style (9th ed.)
"The Macintosh having shipped, his next agenda was to turn the rest of Apple into the Mac group. He had perceived the rest of Apple wasn't as creative or motivated as the Mac team, and what you need to take over the company are managers, not innovators or technical people." FixQuotes, 17 Jan. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/the-macintosh-having-shipped-his-next-agenda-was-39620/. Accessed 18 Feb. 2026.


