"The songs were really complicated. I used to meet people in bar bands who were trying to play our songs and they were really struggling with it. Technically it was really difficult stuff"
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Kip Winger is doing something sly here: he’s reclaiming technical credibility from the long shadow of the hair-metal punchline. Winger, the band, became an easy target in the ’90s—an era that recoded virtuosity and gloss as suspect. So when he says bar bands were “really struggling” to play their songs, it’s not just a humblebrag; it’s an argument for revision. You can laugh at the big choruses and the teased aesthetics, he implies, but you can’t dismiss the craft.
The phrasing matters. “Really complicated” and “technically…really difficult” is blunt, almost defensive, as if he’s anticipating the eye-roll. Yet he grounds the claim in a street-level proving ground: bar bands, the gigging musicians who serve as an informal peer review system. That detail is doing the heavy lifting. He’s not asking critics to take his word for it; he’s citing a kind of musical labor market where competence is instantly measurable. If other working players can’t fake it, the material has teeth.
Subtextually, it’s also a comment on pop’s strange hierarchy of respect. Complexity often gets treated as authenticity only when it wears the right costume—indie scuzz, prog sanctimony, jazz austerity. Winger is pointing out that difficult music can hide inside radio-ready packaging, and that the culture’s tendency to conflate “accessible” with “simple” is less analysis than bias.
The phrasing matters. “Really complicated” and “technically…really difficult” is blunt, almost defensive, as if he’s anticipating the eye-roll. Yet he grounds the claim in a street-level proving ground: bar bands, the gigging musicians who serve as an informal peer review system. That detail is doing the heavy lifting. He’s not asking critics to take his word for it; he’s citing a kind of musical labor market where competence is instantly measurable. If other working players can’t fake it, the material has teeth.
Subtextually, it’s also a comment on pop’s strange hierarchy of respect. Complexity often gets treated as authenticity only when it wears the right costume—indie scuzz, prog sanctimony, jazz austerity. Winger is pointing out that difficult music can hide inside radio-ready packaging, and that the culture’s tendency to conflate “accessible” with “simple” is less analysis than bias.
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