"Yes, we've seen it all before. And yes, those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it. But no, the sky is not falling - baseball is such a great game that neither the owners nor the players can kill it. After some necessary carnage, market forces will prevail"
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The subtext is blunt: baseball’s periodic crises aren’t existential threats so much as ritualized bargaining, ugly but survivable. Calling it “necessary carnage” strips the romance off the conflict. Carnage is what happens when owners and players - both insulated, both calculating - test each other’s pain tolerance in public. Fans are the collateral damage, but also the proof of life: the sport’s cultural infrastructure is too deep, too habitual, too intergenerational to be “killed” by the people currently fighting over it.
Context matters: as a baseball historian, Thorn is speaking from a long view that includes the reserve clause, free agency, strikes, lockouts, and repeated predictions that the game has finally broken itself. His faith isn’t sentimental; it’s structural. “Market forces will prevail” is not a love letter to capitalism so much as a diagnosis: once the losses become real enough - empty seats, stalled TV money, reputational rot - incentives snap the combatants back into agreement. Baseball endures, he suggests, because it’s bigger than its stewards, and because greed, properly constrained by consequence, eventually makes peace.
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APA Style (7th ed.)
Thorn, John. (2026, January 15). Yes, we've seen it all before. And yes, those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it. But no, the sky is not falling - baseball is such a great game that neither the owners nor the players can kill it. After some necessary carnage, market forces will prevail. FixQuotes. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/yes-weve-seen-it-all-before-and-yes-those-who-do-160586/
Chicago Style
Thorn, John. "Yes, we've seen it all before. And yes, those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it. But no, the sky is not falling - baseball is such a great game that neither the owners nor the players can kill it. After some necessary carnage, market forces will prevail." FixQuotes. January 15, 2026. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/yes-weve-seen-it-all-before-and-yes-those-who-do-160586/.
MLA Style (9th ed.)
"Yes, we've seen it all before. And yes, those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it. But no, the sky is not falling - baseball is such a great game that neither the owners nor the players can kill it. After some necessary carnage, market forces will prevail." FixQuotes, 15 Jan. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/yes-weve-seen-it-all-before-and-yes-those-who-do-160586/. Accessed 7 Mar. 2026.

