"You can't have virtue without sin. What I'm after is having my characters' virtues defined by how they operate in a very sinful environment. That's how you test people"
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The intent is bluntly craft-minded. Miller is defending a creative choice often criticized as gratuitous: saturate the environment with corruption so the smallest ethical action reads as consequential. Sin becomes a pressure cooker. A character’s virtue isn’t defined by what they claim to value, but by what they do when the easy incentives point the other way. The phrase “operate in a very sinful environment” is telling; it’s procedural. Virtue is a method, not a mood.
The subtext is also a challenge to polite storytelling. Clean worlds produce clean characters, and clean characters tend to be propaganda or decor. Miller’s approach insists on contamination: let heroes be compromised, let justice be ugly, let redemption cost something. It’s a worldview aligned with the late-20th-century antihero boom and with Miller’s own post-Watergate, crime-and-fear urban imagination: institutions fail, the streets don’t forgive, and morality is only real when it’s expensive.
“That’s how you test people” lands like a mission statement. Not to excuse sin, but to make virtue measurable.
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APA Style (7th ed.)
Miller, Frank. (2026, January 16). You can't have virtue without sin. What I'm after is having my characters' virtues defined by how they operate in a very sinful environment. That's how you test people. FixQuotes. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/you-cant-have-virtue-without-sin-what-im-after-is-90808/
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Miller, Frank. "You can't have virtue without sin. What I'm after is having my characters' virtues defined by how they operate in a very sinful environment. That's how you test people." FixQuotes. January 16, 2026. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/you-cant-have-virtue-without-sin-what-im-after-is-90808/.
MLA Style (9th ed.)
"You can't have virtue without sin. What I'm after is having my characters' virtues defined by how they operate in a very sinful environment. That's how you test people." FixQuotes, 16 Jan. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/you-cant-have-virtue-without-sin-what-im-after-is-90808/. Accessed 5 Feb. 2026.












