"There is science, logic, reason; there is thought verified by experience. And then there is California"
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Abbey's specific intent isn't to debate Californians point by point; it's to brand California as a cultural exception, the place where ideology, spectacle, and wishful thinking routinely outrun material limits. Coming from a writer whose environmental politics were both fierce and contrarian, the jab also reads as a Western rivalry: desert realist versus coastal dream factory. "Thought verified by experience" is Abbey's home terrain, the austere, field-tested knowledge of wilderness and work. California becomes shorthand for the opposite: a landscape engineered to deny its own ecology (water piped, hillside homes, perpetual reinvention), and a social imagination built on novelty, wellness fads, and self-mythology.
The subtext is less "California is dumb" than "California is incurably performative". Abbey is irritated by a culture that can sell transcendence while sidestepping consequences. The line works because it treats a state like a philosophical category, making regional resentment feel like a law of nature, and letting the reader enjoy the sting without needing the footnotes.
Quote Details
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| Source | Verified source: A Voice Crying in the Wilderness (Edward Abbey, 1989)
Evidence: There is science, logic, reason; there is thought verified by experience. And then there is California.. The earliest PRIMARY publication I can corroborate is Edward Abbey’s limited-edition book published under the Latin title “Vox Clamantis in Deserto” by The Rydal Press (Santa Fe) in 1989; this is the underlying work later issued commercially (with some re-editing/retitling) as “A Voice Crying in the Wilderness: Vox Clamantis in Deserto: Notes from a Secret Journal” (St. Martin’s Press, 1990). Multiple secondary previews of the later trade edition reproduce the quote, but I could not access a scanned view of the 1989 Rydal Press text itself to extract a page number. Library/catalog records explicitly state the work was originally published in 1989 by The Rydal Press, supporting 1989 as the first publication date for this material. A later commonly cited page reference (“p.13”) appears tied to modern e-book reissues/quote sites rather than the 1989 first printing and is not reliable for ‘first publication’ verification. Other candidates (1) If Ignorance Is Bliss, Why Aren't There More Happy People? (John Lloyd, John Mitchinson, 2009) compilation95.0% ... There is science , logic , reason ; there is thought verified by experience . And then there is California . EDWA... |
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