"I pondered all these things, and how men fight and lose the battle, and the thing that they fought for comes about in spite of their defeat, and when it comes turns out not to be what they meant, and other men have to fight for what they meant under another name"
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The intent isn’t to romanticize defeat; it’s to warn against the comforting myth that history delivers what people asked for. Morris builds a trapdoor into the sentence: “the thing that they fought for comes about in spite of their defeat” sounds like consolation, until the pivot - “turns out not to be what they meant.” That reversal is the engine. He’s naming the gap between slogans and lived outcomes, between a movement’s moral aim and the institutional reality that later claims its name.
Subtextually, it’s also an argument about language as a battlefield. “Under another name” isn’t just poetic resignation; it’s a critique of how power rebrands concessions to neutralize their original charge. Reforms arrive stripped of the values that animated them, sold back as administrative inevitabilities or market-friendly upgrades. The next generation then has to re-fight the same ethical fight, only now it’s harder because the vocabulary has been co-opted.
Context matters: Morris was a designer who became a socialist, immersed in the Arts and Crafts movement’s revolt against industrial capitalism’s ugliness and alienation. He watched “progress” produce abundance alongside degradation, and he understood that aesthetics and politics share a problem: intention can be mangled in production. His sentence reads like a craftsman’s lament about history’s shoddy workmanship - and a call to keep remaking the thing until it matches what people meant.
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| Topic | Free Will & Fate |
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APA Style (7th ed.)
Morris, William. (2026, January 18). I pondered all these things, and how men fight and lose the battle, and the thing that they fought for comes about in spite of their defeat, and when it comes turns out not to be what they meant, and other men have to fight for what they meant under another name. FixQuotes. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/i-pondered-all-these-things-and-how-men-fight-and-2516/
Chicago Style
Morris, William. "I pondered all these things, and how men fight and lose the battle, and the thing that they fought for comes about in spite of their defeat, and when it comes turns out not to be what they meant, and other men have to fight for what they meant under another name." FixQuotes. January 18, 2026. https://fixquotes.com/quotes/i-pondered-all-these-things-and-how-men-fight-and-2516/.
MLA Style (9th ed.)
"I pondered all these things, and how men fight and lose the battle, and the thing that they fought for comes about in spite of their defeat, and when it comes turns out not to be what they meant, and other men have to fight for what they meant under another name." FixQuotes, 18 Jan. 2026, https://fixquotes.com/quotes/i-pondered-all-these-things-and-how-men-fight-and-2516/. Accessed 7 Feb. 2026.







